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Public housing residents protest garbage change
by Tom Joyce
Staff Reporter
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<p>Tom Joyce/The News</p><p>Michelle Whitlock, right, watches Thursday as neighbor Victoria Bowman signs a petition being circulated in response to an upcoming change in garbage-collection policies for Mount Airy&#8217;s public housing neighborhoods. Pictured to the left is Felicia Johnson, another resident concerned about the matter.</p>

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Michelle Whitlock, right, watches Thursday as neighbor Victoria Bowman signs a petition being circulated in response to an upcoming change in garbage-collection policies for Mount Airy’s public housing neighborhoods. Pictured to the left is Felicia Johnson, another resident concerned about the matter.

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<p>Tom Joyce/The News</p><p>About 40 people had signed the petition, left, by late Thursday morning. The document to the right is the newsletter in which residents were notified of the controversial change.</p>

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About 40 people had signed the petition, left, by late Thursday morning. The document to the right is the newsletter in which residents were notified of the controversial change.

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Public housing residents in Mount Airy are protesting an upcoming change in garbage-collection procedures they say could force them to pay for a service now provided free, as well as compromise their personal information.

“This is a low-income area,” said Michelle Whitlock, a Jeffries Street resident who was circulating a petition Thursday regarding the change. It coincides with plans for a Virginia-based company to take over garbage collection in Mount Airy’s public housing neighborhoods next month from a local business now supplying that service.

Unlike the present provider, Mount Pilot Garbage Service in Pilot Mountain, Waste Industries of Wytheville, Va., will not move trash receptacles from the rear of residents’ homes to the street for emptying into a truck. And when it begins collections in October, they face a new charge of $10 each time the carts aren’t moved from the street after the once-a-week collections on Fridays.

“A lot of us are elderly and disabled,” Whitlock said of the hardship posed to residents in having to roll the sometimes-heavy receptacles to the street — especially during bad weather. Whitlock, a public housing resident of about six years, has disabilities including bone disease in her right arm.

“It’s not that we are lazy — we cannot do what our bodies won’t let us do,” she said.

And while those who are disabled can be exempted from that requirement and the accompanying $10 charge, by submitting a medical waiver containing certain information, even that is viewed as problematic. Some object to providing such personal data to a sanitation company.

“That’s not the garbage service’s business,” Whitlock said of affected residents being required to list such details.

“How do we know what they’re going to do with the list afterwards?” she added, citing the possibility of it winding up in the wrong hands and leading to scams.

The petition being circulated already contained nearly 40 signatures as of Thursday morning.

More than 600 people are estimated to live in the 300 apartment units managed by the Housing Authority of Mount Airy, which are located in four neighborhoods spread over the city. The units are subsidized, meaning the residents pay rent according to their income.

They were notified of the upcoming switch in garbage-collection companies through a monthly newsletter.

Why Change?

While the public might be of the assumption that the trash service is provided by municipal garbage crews since the housing units in question are in the city limits, that’s not the case.

Under city policy, a large apartment complex or entity such as the housing authority must arrange for its own pickups, according to Gray Parker, assistant director of the authority. In existence since 1961, it operates as a private, federally funded corporation that is overseen by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Residents say they have been pleased by the job performed by Mount Pilot Garbage Service.

“We’ve been doing it, I guess, about seven years,” said Tim Sechrist, the owner of the business that serves areas all over Surry County and employs two people full-time.

Parker said the switch to the new company was part of an annual process by the local housing agency.

“We contract our garbage service out each year, and another one got it this time,” he said of Waste Industries. Though based in Wytheville, its reach stretches into southern Carroll County. “And the trucks are around Mount Airy — you see them all the time,” Parker said.

He explained that the $10 charge stems from the extra work that might result from the new provider not moving carts from the rear of homes and moving them back when emptied. Should residents fail to do this, it will require the housing authority to send a member of its maintenance staff to handle that task, Parker said.

Bid Process Questioned

Along with the residents’ concerns, the owner of Mount Pilot Garbage Service wonders why it no longer will have the collection contract come October.

Sechrist said Thursday that he does not believe the bidding process was handled openly and fairly by Kay Morgan, director of the Housing Authority of Mount Airy, including Mount Pilot being properly notified it was under way. The business owner said he only learned of this in a roundabout way.

“I had got wind they had bids a-going, and they hadn’t sent me anything out,” Sechrist said. He later submitted a proposal, but wonders whether it was even considered for the job that has brought in $2,825 to his company each month — “a good hunk” of its business, the owner added.

“They said they only got one bid, from Waste Industries,” Sechrist said he was told. He later received a letter from the housing authority informing him that Mount Pilot Garbage Service no longer would handle the trash pickups, but stating no reason.

Sechrist thought that was odd, since there had been no complaints voiced to him from housing authority officials about Mount Pilot’s performance, and he believes it can provide the service cheaper than Waste Industries.

“I think it was illegal the way she handled it,” Sechrist said of Morgan.

When advised of Sechrist’s allegations Thursday afternoon, the housing authority director responded, “I have no comment on that.”

In explaining the bid-solicitation procedure, Morgan said three letters were sent to prospective vendors, but she had no response when asked if Mount Pilot Garbage Service was one of them. She did confirm that only one bid was received.

Asked if there any problems with the service provided by Sechrist’s company, Morgan replied, “I have no comment on that, sir!”

Privacy Issues

Earlier in the day, both Morgan and Parker had addressed issues raised by disabled residents regarding the privacy of their medical information provided on the waiver, especially Whitlock’s concern that it could be compromised.

“I don’t know about that,” Parker said. “We do not give out that information on a person — they send it in and it goes directly to the garbage service.”

Morgan, meanwhile, said only basic details are included — “their name, address and that they are not able to get it (the cart) to the curb.”

Yet, Whitlock fears even bits of information, such as a person’s name and addresses — which she said is “nobody’s business” — could be a springboard for piecing together other data on someone’s identity and lead to a crime. “How do we know the disabled people aren’t going to be scammed?”

She also is concerned that if nothing else, giving out such details might result in unwanted sales or other solicitations.

“This is our concern: Why should our personal information go to this waste company?”

Whitlock believes the disability waiver shouldn’t be a requirement, because the local agency already has detailed records on each tenant. “So the housing authority already knows who’s disabled,” she added.

While standing in her yard Thursday and looking around the neighborhood, Whitlock said the garbage situation makes her wonder if the authority has lost track of its mission to provide decent, affordable housing to people in need.

“This is supposed to be for us, the residents.”

Reach Tom Joyce at 719-1924 or tjoyce@heartlandpublications.com.

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madintheprojects
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September 18, 2012
Well we get billed more for most everthing unknow2you. Yes I agree about the yards with toys and cars but if a child play kickball,football.or soccer in the yard the parents will be billed if one blade of grass is messed same for mulch. I also agree we get lawn care but most everthing else we pay for examples fluorescent lights, acs in and out clogged drains this apts been here since the 70s never know whats in them. I have almost 30yr old appliaces and had too pay too get one fixed. Well from my point of view where is the housing going too make us stop paying for everthing. Next it will be for the air we breath also the power allment has not went up since 92 so there for we have higher bills too pay yes they pay some but the do not go up for the cost of living. Most are here becuse of there income not by choice. And when you go up agaist them you are afraid of being kicked out so I am sorry about this and they say hud just gives them the money too do what they want with it bull why do they come inspect then they are not doing what they need tooo with the money,But lineing there pockets with it.
madintheprojects
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September 17, 2012
I disagree with a lot of the put downs If you live in a rented house and lawn care was provided and they quite you would be upset as well. Also nothing is free here if anything is fixed you pay for it or do not tell them in fear of being put on the street. We can not have flowers if we get in the yard and play we can be billed for lawn care. THE POINT IS ITS IN THE LEASE IF THEY CHAGNGE ALL OF THE PEOPLE NEED TOO TOO HAVE NEW CONTRACTS MADE UP. POINT BLANK THEY ARE BREAKING THE LEASE NOTHING MORE NEED SAID NO MATTER WHAT WE DO OR DO NOT HAVE ITS THE LEASE BEING BROKEN NOTHING TOO DO WITH ANYTHING BUT THE COLD HARD FACTS.
ft87
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September 17, 2012
exaclty! and the funny thing is @madintheprojects is that those that are putting us down or judging us they cant give one good reason why they disagree with mrs whitlock. shoot, bring me the petition and let me sign it!all they can do is call us lazy and living free off the government, and i am looking around trying to see who they talking about because i know they are not talking about me!
unknown2you
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September 18, 2012
@ madintheprojects....I am also a resident in housing and I am very grateful for the roof over my head! You need to get your facts straight!!! I have read my lease cover to cover and NOWHERE in it does it say they will move the cans...it just says they will provide trash service! By what I see they still are! Also...the yard...it only says you can not DRIVE in the yard and all toys and trash must be kept out of the yard! Hello...thats just common since! They mow the yard for us...at least we caan do is kepp it clean! We rent these homes so we don't own them...would you want people renting anything you have and disrespecting it! Think about it!
missfaye
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September 15, 2012
I am a resident here and I am so disappointed with the way things are being ran here. It's not what housing should be. i pay over 400 dollars a month here and my husband is disabled. what will they do if i am at work and he tries to get that big can back up the hill to behind our unit? They already wont let us plant flowers or use decorations in front of our units, and besides the issue with the trash now they are telling us how to live on the inside as well. It doesnt feel like home anymore. they have lost their vision. times are hard enough, so why make it harder on others that are just trying to get by?

And how are they going to protect those that give out information referring to them not being able to take their trash down to be picked up? We already have the government in our business enough here. its preposterous to even consider doing this at all! God help them...
june1990
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September 17, 2012
"protect those that give out information"...seriously! The two people that I saw on the news 14 report gave out their name, address, and disabilities to how many viewers? Plus I bet the others that signed that petition didn't know their names and address where gonna be aired on TV! SOunds like someone with more of a beef that just wants to start some trouble to me! If you got city trash pick-up you would still have to have a doctors note to have them pull it to and from your house!
tkc015
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September 15, 2012
I think this is sad. This is just proof that u cannot do enough for people...they can have a place rent free, and almost all there bills paid for and there is still a problem. This isnt about having compassion, it says if you have a note from the doctor that states you cannot take your trash to the street then you dont have to. Its pathetic that someone would go to this extent just to not have to take there trash to the street. Well most of us dont want to work or pay our bills or take our trash to the street but guess what? we have to. Sometimes you cant just have EVERYTHING handed to you.
housingresident
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September 15, 2012
There is no free rent there..minimum is $58, Mine is over $400 because i am no flat rate rent. I have so much power included in my rent and what i use over that i get a bill for which i don't mind having because I used it. Water is included too. The issue is in the lease it states that the garbage will be picked up from behind our units. If they didn't wish to continue this then they should have never started it to begin with, It's just another excuse by the HA to not spend the money they are given by HUD on the complexes. I don't see the issue of having it taken from behind the units, the current provider does it and they do a great job. I even had one of the guys help get a heavy item to the street because I was unable to do it and they were more than Happy to assist me. This other Company is just money hungry and no one even considers the Elderly who are not disabled who are just old and not strong enough to carry the containers, have you seen how huge and bulky they are? If you don't live here or ever lived here then I don't think you have a right to sit in judgement and make comments you know nothing about, The comments abour free rent and free cable and free phones are Not true none of that is free here, we have cable,phone and rent bills just like everyone else, yes at a reduced rate, but still the same we do have bills too. Some more than others.
missfaye
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September 15, 2012
I live here, work full time, and pay over 400.00 per month to have a roof over my head. yes there are some that dont have jobs or are disabled. but even without a job u still have to come up with 50 dollars a month. I thank God that I have a roof over my head, and i cant speak for all that live here but I struggled to get where i am now and now that i am on my feet i am trying to do better. my goal is to transition out of housing and actually own something. the whole concept of housing is to help people build up their self esteem, and want to do better. i am sorry that you have your views of housing and all the people that live here they way you do, but not all of us are the same. it goes deeper than that piece of paper that proves that you arent able to get your trash can down to the street and back. I have a neighbor that is in a wheelchair and isnt able to get it down there and back and they live alone. but believe you me, i will be taking her can down to the curb and back up to keep her from getting charged that crazy fee. but I have bills just like anyone else does. It doesnt matter where you live. you gonna have bills. some may have more than others. but some of that is their choice. but it would be considerate of people if they didnt put everyone in the same category because like i said, we all come from different backgrounds and are dealing with alot of things. Nothing is handed out to me, i have to work for it just like everyone else does! I dont get any kind of public assistance besides housing and there are times i wish i could have that help but i cant. but i dont complain and start knocking others because they have it. i have more respect than that.
seewill
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September 15, 2012
Judge not least you be judged and walk a mile in their shoes before you comment on them.

There should have been open bidding on this and only having on bid is reason enough to null and void this. I pay Mount Airy taxes and I have no problems with older people and the disabled having their garbage picked up from behind their residencies. Just because someone can walk around the neighborhood does not mean they can roll a garbage can full or empty. Have some compassion people.
ft87
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September 16, 2012
amen!
june1990
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September 17, 2012
I have walked in your shoes and lived in housing before and I worked my way up and out into a regular home. I know several people that still live there and saw the letter and that's what it states. The only thing the elderly and disabled have to do is get a note from the doctor and they will not have to pull their trash to and from the street. They can just call the doctor and have them send it to them!
ft87
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September 17, 2012
@june1990

I have walked in your shoes and lived in housing before and I worked my way up and out into a regular home.

well i am glad u worked your way up and out of housing. i am working on that too, but i pray that when i do i dont have my negative views of others that still live there like you do because what good does it do to move on up just to look down on others. just saying
june1990
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September 14, 2012
I think you people need to get a life. Miss Whitlock, you just gave 10,000 people all the information you didn't want to give the Trash Company. If this company was able to bid on this job I'm sure they are insured and licensed so any information they get on a customer would have to be kept private. If you have cable, a phone, internet, water (oh wait you don't have to pay for that there), power (oh wait you don't have to pay for that either) then these companies have the same information on you. Aren't you afraid it'll fall in the wrong hands there too! Do you people have nothing better to do?
housingresident
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September 15, 2012
Ok where is all this free cable and phone service at?? Power is provided to a certain limit then you pay the difference, and almost everyone has to pay a difference on their power and yes water is included. Just because someone lives in housing authority doesn't mean they are less than, or not good as, I don't see unclean children either in the neighborhood. It's not about being too lazy to carry it, Do you realize there are elderly here that don't have the strength to move it? and some disabled too. IT's not as nice and free as you think it is, half the time you are in fear of saying anything as you can get evicted for saying anything or asking for repairs because they will make you pay for everything even if not your fault. Kay Morgan has an attitude and has always acted as though she didn't care about the tenants..her no comment is very typical of her behavior! It's in our lease that they will provide garbage service and it will be removed from the rear of the unit. If they didn't plan on keeping the service then shey should have not started it to begin with. They say they don't have money for this or that, but they sure have money when it comes to having new cars...drive by that office sometime and see all the new cars there...makes you wonder where all the money goes that they do get for upkeep of the units!
Publius01
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September 16, 2012
@ HousingResident

Perhaps you could do a better job of reading comprehension. June1990 never stated that cable, phone, or internet was free she did state that water and power was free.

"If you have cable, a phone, internet, water (oh wait you don't have to pay for that there), HERE SHE STATES THAT WATER IS FREE power (oh wait you don't have to pay for that either) HERE SHE STATES THAT POWER IS FREE then these companies have the same information on you."

Publius01
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September 16, 2012
@ HousingResident

Also, what does the employees cars have to do with where your money is going? The Housing Authority is not a business.. they do not get paid more or less if people are paying more/less in rent per month. They are paid by the federal government(Federal employees). Also why could these employees not have a second or third job. Some people work hard for what they have and enjoy nice things. To take a look at a parking lot and say hey there is a nice car I bet we are paying to much in rent is ludicrous thing to say.

ft87
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September 16, 2012
@publius01

"Some people work hard for what they have and enjoy nice things. To take a look at a parking lot and say hey there is a nice car I bet we are paying to much in rent is ludicrous thing to say."



Yes well so do some of us that live here as well.just because we have nice things dont mean we live here for free. I work hard for mine as well. and we do have to pay what is called "excess utility" so we do have a somewhat a 'power bill' and mind you not everyone in mount airy pays a water bill either.
ft87
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September 16, 2012
"If you have cable, a phone, internet, water (oh wait you don't have to pay for that there), power (oh wait you don't have to pay for that either) then these companies have the same information on you."

yeah u right, we dont have to pay for the following-phone, internet, or cable UNLESS WE HAVE IT!!!!

we get billed for a utility excess if we go over the amount allotted for the month. and even if you dont live in housing there are several places and communities that dont pay for water...get it right!
DrWho1977
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September 14, 2012
I agree totally with jld1966. If she can walk the neighborhoods and get petitions signed then she can walk her garbage to the street. Seems like such a waste of energy and resources when she could walk her but to a real job and stop nursing off of the governemnts money.
jld1966
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September 14, 2012
AMEN DrWho1977!!!
jld1966
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September 14, 2012
OMG....Are you kidding me!!! They live there for near nothing, by what I understand of that type housing everything is included in their rent like power and water, etc plus they don't even have to mow!!! If They are to lazy to roll a can to the curb and back within a reasonable amount of time then they should be charged. GET OFF YOUR BUTTS!!! Come on...if you are able to walk around the neighborhood to get signatures then I think you can roll your cans to and from the curb!!!!!!!!!
DrWho1977
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September 14, 2012
So the problem is that the majority of these people are too lazy to take their own garbage to the street. Well us people who work 50 hours a week and pay for our power, water and mortgages have to carry our garbage to the street or even worse to the landfill.

The disabled people have home aids, why can't they move it to the street? I am not feeling the pain from a lot of these people because they have every handout the governemnt can give them and they whine about a little inconvienince. Get with it,we owe you nothing.

The way I look at it is if you are unhappy then move. I'm sure it will be an eye opener when you will have to take your garbage to the landfill , like everyone else. Then again most of these low lifes will probably let the garbage rot in the yard like most of the worthless drains on society do. I think the garbage that needs to be carried to the streets is some of the worthless tenants who rape and pillage the welfare system.

Go into anyone of these peoples apartments and I bet you'll find nice plasma tv's and the latest toys and technology. Dirty kids running amuck. And meanwhile I am writing this at my job on a 15 year old pc ( running linux) looking through an old crt screen. Seems unfair.

Well garbage can is full, guess I'll take my trash to the street.

Furthermore, if this is the only crap that Mount Airy news can write about then maybe you guys need some new reporters.
pkent
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September 14, 2012
Meanwhile DrWho, great that you have a job where you get to work 50 hours a week with benefits that include your employer paying you to use his old PC to write ignorant and inflamatory editorials while you're on the clock.
w.harris
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September 14, 2012
Maybe he was on his break pkent....(some employers do allow this).......and it IS great to have a job.....more people should try it...you ever gave it a shot pkent???
missfaye
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September 15, 2012
First off, i am sorry that you have to put everyone in this category that live in housing. I work full time, trying to get out of here. Do u think i want to stay here forever? No because I dont. Not all of the people are the same here. So unless you have been in my shoes please dont judge me!

everything in my home I have worked for. I didnt get not one handout for it. Mind you yes i live in government housing, but that is the only thing that i get help on. I get no other assistance, and my husband is disabled. So please get your facts straight!
CowgirlUp1970
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September 14, 2012
We'll after reading this article and being a citizen of surry county I find this hard to believe. I PAY for garbage service and still have to roll my can to and from the street. I understand that if you have a disablity they will provide this service to you with a doctors note that only required a name, address and that you are unable to do this. If this Michelle Whitlock is so concerned about the information required then why did she just give her name, address and the form of disability she has plus how long she had lived there. That seems like more information than what the trash service had asked for. I think some people are just not satisfied with anything even when its handed to them. Live in the real world people and see just how easy you have it!
anonymous
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September 14, 2012
Keep NC jobs in NC. Even though we are close neighbors with VA we should keep jobs local and even if not in our own city at least in our own state.
DrWho1977
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September 14, 2012
Are you a goober or something? Keep Jobs in NC..lol. Thanks for making me laugh!

hd72m
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September 14, 2012
“I have no comment on that.”

WHAT??

She is employed by us and needs to tell us what is going on...the truth

I hope this paper does its job and get to the bottom of this.
DrWho1977
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September 14, 2012
I believe you are severely misguided on the true problem. The problem is people who are too lazy to move and take their garbage to the street. Maybe she thinks this is a retarded issue and not worth spending her time commenting on. Maybe she has to deal with this crap on a daily basis and thinks the same as everyone else does.
missfaye
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September 15, 2012
i totally agree hd72m! they need to get to the bottom of this because there are some things that are shady about it...

have u seen how much revenue they bring in a year? If they would let us live our lives here instead of trying to control our everymove we wouldnt be in this situation we are in now. but yet they cant afford to renovate all these apartments that we live in and pay an arm and an leg for.
Publius01
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September 16, 2012
@ MissFaye

You state "but yet they cant afford to renovate all these apartments that we live in and pay an arm and an leg for."

I will ask you to look around the grounds on which you live and see how many Blue Ridge Enterprises vehicles you see. They have a huge remodeling going on currently. Perhaps you should be better informed before you start spewing your baseless accusations.

Also a arm and a leg?? Seriously? Have you looked at what is available for $400 dollars a mount in Surry County? Nothing! Not to mention that is pure rent which in the real world does not include power, water, sewer etc.....

ft87
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September 16, 2012
@publius01

"but yet they cant afford to renovate all these apartments that we live in and pay an arm and an leg for."

I believe that she meant it as a expression (the arm and an leg part)

secondly, you are correct as to where can you find a place under 400 per month, but you have two choices when it comes to living under housing. base it fully on your income (flexible rate) or you can do the flat rate (which is what i believe she did, cause i did too)because sometimes if they base it on your income it will be more than the flat rate of the unit but u can only change it at renewal of lease.

next we have a utility allowance and if you go over it you pay. it's called utility excess....

and also they have been in the same development 'renovating' apartments for who knows how long. some of the ones they started on have been incomplete for a few months to almost a year now.

lastly i really want to know why there is so much ruckus about this, just because the community wants to know what is going on. this is their homes. alot of you are being more judgemental instead of actually explaining why you see what mrs whitlock doing wrong. i mean seriously, you and i know it has nothing to do about being lazy with the taking the cans down to the curb and back. but since you know so much about where we live look in the lease about what they said they were going to do with our cans being picked up weekly and get back at me.

I think everyone is just wanting to fuss just because someone is standing up and really wanting to know what is going on. the elderly and disabled need to be protected, even when it comes to giving out their info. with the way the economy is, there are people scamming, and the elderly and disabled are targeted.

so it would be nice if everyone who is protesting against mrs whitlock and the housing community to fully explain why they are so hateful about what she stands for. i bet no one really knows!
ft87
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September 16, 2012
@drwho1977

i also think you are misguided on the true problem. because either you are going on assumptions as well as everyone else. you need to stop judging us. we are not lazy. we are human just like you. you cant imagine what it feels like on this end to see all these comments from not just you but from everyone commenting on this...

and we are supposed to be the 'friendliest town'

you just dont want to accept the fact that there is a real problem with it all. questions need to be answered and we need jobs here. for someone to not give a direct answer on why they do what they do it does make you wonder whats up. she is a good director, dont get me wrong, but we as a community needed to be treated just like everyone else.and yes some can work and refuse to, but that doesnt mean we all are like that! so everyone needs to stop stereotyping!
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